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Patch Question: Will Harder Lynbrook HS Classes Help Students?

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Today's question goes out to current and former Lynbrook High School students as well as parents.

The Lynbrook School District’s "Strategic Planning Initiative" will concentrate on “increasing the rigor,” or difficulty, of instruction, as the district hopes to develop high school regents courses that go ‘”beyond the required New York State curriculum,” according to a presentation at last night's board meeting.

The initiative aims to push students to "strive for a degree of achievement that is slightly above their current threshold," according to Gerard Beleckas, Lynbrook Assistant Superintendent for Instruction and Assessment.

The board said that they do not aim to frustrate kids with harder work. The plan is still in the development stage and will be re-visited in more concrete terms during the August Board of Education meeting, according to the board.

Do you think the Lynbrook board's plan to "increase the rigor" of instruction will help improve regents scores if implemented? Or do you think it will just make work harder and create bigger headaches for students? Tell us in the comments.

Read the original story here.

Related Topics: Increasing Difficulty, Lynbrook High School, Regents Courses, santo barbarino, and Strategic Planning Initiative

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donna

10:57 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Why does Lynbrook allow a 6th grade North student who lives in Queens go to our schools??

Brian

11:03 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Offering classes that are intellectually stimulating is the key. It's not about the rigor, as it would be wiser to offer a class which might be 'easier' and interesting than one that is 'harder' and boring. Remember, it's high school - students still presumably have plenty of education ahead of them in college. You don't want them to 'burn out'.

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Jason

11:54 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Please Brian, burning them out????
I can't stop laughing?????/

Jason

12:21 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

This is another one of those assinine questions re: education.
If we simply simply use other successful countries methodology this would be a step in the right direction.
This ridiculous question, again serves only as another useless discussion on education circumventing the real only solution, answer of additional schooling hours and days.

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Donna Kraus

6:51 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

The belief that children in other countries attend school more than children in the U.S. is actually a misnomer. When the number of hours is added up over an entire year, we're at or near the top.

Which successful methodologies do you think we should adopt?

ashley

12:46 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

It will help and be worth it, but when I was a student there a lot of the teachers struggled with the class to get to regular required material done. It will be a tough uphill climb but with it in the end

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Jason

12:51 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

"struggled w/ class"? please explain?

Carol

1:56 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

All LHS cares about is pushing kids into college, even kids who are not cut out for it. It makes their rate of kids going onto college higher. They make it sound like college is the only option in their lives when, in fact, the kids would be happier and better off doing something else.

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Anne

11:09 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Meanwhile they had us come to the high school to see the documentary "Race to Nowhere" and they seemed concerned that our children were being stressed out by all the pressure from school work - I don't understand????

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Jason

11:24 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

THIS IS THE MINDSET?? ANY PARENT NOT IN DENIAL WOULD PLACE TH BLAME ON INTERNET AND CELL PHONES ADDICTION AND PISS POOR PRIORITIES?
ITS A AMERICAN THING!
LOOK AT THOSE IMMIGRANTS OF ASIAN CULTURE,THEY STRESS EDUCATION BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE AND WILL NOT ACCEPT LESS. THEY ARE THE NEW PROFESSIONALS IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED?
PARENTS NEED SCHOOLING AS PARENTS IN THE MAJORITY OF CASES. EACH SUMMER TEACHERS SHOULD HOLD MANDATORY CLASSES FOR PARENTS INSTEAD OF DOING NOTHING FOR 10 WEEKS.

Jason

11:23 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Another extremely serious problem is alcohol and drug use among'st LHS students.
its a bigger problem than you may want to accept??

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Rev. Bob Walderman

11:53 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I've expressed my opinion in my recent blog, "Education is not enough".

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donna

12:39 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I don't know how the administration bldg will not listen to numerous complaints about a child going to North that really lives in Queens!

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Joe

12:55 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I heard about this kid. The mother rented on Sherman St. I think she is in the middle of eviction process but kid still goes to North. They should have an investigation done and follow her to Queens. We pay enough in taxes for the school district to do that!

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Nick

1:04 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

That's ridiculous! Why won't the school district do anything about it??? Why do we pay taxes for? Our schools should be for Lynbrook residents only!

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Full House

9:53 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

Joe

This has been a disaster in the making. Residnets have done the right thing in calling the administration building and complaining and nothing is being done. IT is a sad shame to see how the administration treats the residents and taxpayers.

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Full House

5:13 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

donna

Don't give up the good fight. The school admininstration hopes that people give up so they don't have to deal with the problems like this. Throw in all the drinking problems they ignore and they are worse than an ostrich sticking its head into the sand

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donna

5:50 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

Full House:
I will not give up! My neighbors are people that I have known for years. It just enrages me when I see this woman come to the house between the hours of 9 and 2:30 after she drops her son off at North, while the homeowners work. Justice will be served one way or another! Maybe since there is no room in the budget for an investigator we should vote it down. Then maybe the administration building will start to listen!

Jennie

1:07 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

These people rent apartments in Lynbrook just for the address so they can send their kids to school here! It's not right! The school district should follow the mother when she picks the kid up and throw him out of our school!

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donna

1:16 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I know for a fact my neighbor called the administration building on this more than oce and no one will help her. Why do we protect a person doing an illegal action when a 37 yr resident who pays taxes has no rights??

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Jason

5:41 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

whadda ya know Donna ??? I'd bet you vote for the budget each year?

Larry Harris

1:39 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

When will we get this problem be taking care of, we pay so much in taxes in this town how can we allow kids that do not live in Lynbrook to go to our schools. Where are the school adminstration officals when you need them, I am outragged that my hard earned money goes to kids that are in the Lynbrook school system who do not live here, I want to know what is being done this has to stop.

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donna

5:39 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I agree Larry! I live on Sherman and my neighbors have begged for help and guidance and the school district will not help them, They were told it costs the school district too much money to investigate this. What are our taxes for? What is the budget for?

martha

1:46 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

i couldnt agree more with you larry!! i am appauled that if the district is aware of this situation, that they arent on top of it and getting the child out of the school asap! its not right!

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Carol

4:03 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Well, then another problem is illegal two family houses WITH FAMILY MEMBERS. 4 kids going to school for the price of 2.

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donna

5:40 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Carol,
My neighbor's house is a legal 2 family and they pay taxes for it! They have lived on Sherman Street for 37 yrs!!!

Jason

4:04 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

??? an age old problem which will continue unless we band together and remove all incumbents as they are and continue t be useless. Starting w/ Skelos and Mangano!

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Jason

5:45 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I applaud many of those who have left LI for greener pastures and much lower taxes with services as well.
Myself and my wife soon to join them.
No doubt a family will move in my home with multiple kids and rent rooms, too, as many now do, further increasing the taxes on those who are masochists. and stay.

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mary t.

5:56 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

well reading this blog gave me a good idea, since Lynbrook doesn't really care if people who don't live here take advantage of the school system I will have no problem letting my brother in malverne and my sister in Valley Stream use my address and send their kids to district 20 schools. They are my nieces and nephews and hey they can sleep in my house every night. Both are Lynbrook residents but not in our school district. Let me give them a chance since Lynbrook won't be checking up I can see how long we will get away with it.

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Jason

5:59 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Join the 25% that already do it.

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Jason

6:06 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Lynbrook schools suck as all the others! Don't kid yourselves!

mary t.

6:02 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I guess anyone can get away with anything nowadays since there is no money to take care of things and keep people following the rules. I wonder if the school board reads this blog, maybe they just don't care about little things (though this sounds like a snowball to me) sometimes they fall through the cracks since we know these positions are volunteer and basically unappreciated.

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donna

6:24 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Exactly Mary! Lynbrook doesn't care who goes to the school these days! And from what I hear this woman is a repeat offender and did this last year as well. She was living in Queens and bringing her son to our schools. Then she rented from my neighbors on Sherman and its been hell ever since.

Jason

6:06 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Of course they read it, they smugly laugh since there not a methodology to correct the wrongs in our education system and they know it.
Your only solution is to leave the county!

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Chris Fergerson

11:59 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

It is such a disaster that in our school district the administration will not address the issue of sterudents who do not live in our district but attend our schools. This incident above on Sherman Street is costing our taxpatyers at least 1400 while people in the Administration do nothing. Contact central administration and tell tem to act and get these free loaders out of our school district

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Nick

9:41 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

Chris- that is horrible how much it costs the taxpayers! I don't understnad this whole story! Why won't the administration building help these residents if they are calling and reporting it! It makes no sense! Do they just not care that a child from Queens is getting a Lynbrrok education??!

Jason

9:45 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

Comes w/ the territory as we vote w/o thinking, are apathetic as whether or not to vote, AND limit our complaints to message boards such as this rather than voice your views to your Assemblyman Curran or Sen Skelos.
We reap what we sow!

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donna

10:00 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

Jason, this has nothing to do with politics at all! This has to do with the Lynbrook Administration Building! They won't listen to the homeowner or other people who have called about this! These are secretaries! How do we even know if they are going to the higher ups with this important information?? I've lived here many years and I would sure hope Dr. Barbarino doesn't know about this and is deciding to do nothing. That would be a complete disgrace....

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Jason

10:05 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

I'm sure Dr Barbarino is unaware of such a trivial issue????????
Gimme a break!!
You are a bit naive don't you think???????
It is "entirely political"as the same people cover this up as most issues such as these are.

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Jason

10:22 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

The secretaries you mention are not going to jeopardize their job if the higher ups are not interested here for what ever reason??
This is why it is a political issue as they circumvent the SYSTEM, so to speak, force the issue and get the necessary answers!

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donna

10:28 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

Jason, I guess you are right and I am naive. Naive to think that the people who work for Lynbrook schools want the best for Lynbrook. Silly me!

Monica

12:15 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

@Administration., There is a solution to this problem, address these issues immediately! Remove this child who Is illegally attending The Lynbrook school district. By not enforcing the Lynbrook schools guidelines and regulations, your non-actions are FUELING this irresponsible mother who refuses to renew her lease, who refuses to pay rent , refuses to sign her child out of the school district , whom she apparently drives to and from Queens to Lynbrook , And if its not bad enough she has the audacity to remain in this heated LEGAL 2 Family dwelling!

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Jason

12:38 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

From your voice to Gods ears Monica.......
Audacity?? do you think she cares?> she's getting over like so many,if you expect embarrassment by her losing face being deceptive??
Good luck w/that?

Welcome to the new world of lawyer controlled societies where conscience takes a back seat,while fraud and lawlessness prevails.
Sadly, we must put up with it while those who don't follow the rules gain.(at our expense)
Look at the recent law decree whereas the banks must reduce interest rates(for free) as well as write a check of upwards of $2000 to deadbeats and speculators who were underwater in their mortgages.So many who could well afford it but a jumping on the bandwagon.
Estimates of maybe 30% really need it, 70% getting a gift.
Guess who's paying for that?

Who are the suckers here??
We are of course....... all those who play by the rules make their payments and pay their taxes. The problem is ,we, for the first time in history are the minority as laxity of our congress has given away the ship.
Economical RAPE nothing short of it.

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Monica

4:01 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

@Jason Needless to say, it is quite apparent this woman has no morals. Nevertheless, I choose to believe that justice does and can prevail. I'm placing my faith in the Lynbrook School District to handle this matter with priority.

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Mike

9:02 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

It is a sad day when the Lynbrook administration has so mishandled an obvious case where a child does not live in the district. They can work to give the Supertintendent a contract extension but have them do a little work and investigate this illegal child and they put their head in the sands.. Everyone should call the administration and complain.

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Jason

9:07 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

Negative, the fox is guarding the hen house. You must contact Curran,Mangano and Skelos!

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Full House

9:13 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

The residents work hard in the community and here we have the bloated school administration giving away Lynbrook education like it is candy. It is time for the administration to listen to the residents or clean house.

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Jason

9:14 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

Clean house best option as well as most other LI school districts!

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Full House

9:30 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

Yes we need to contact the school administration and tell them we wont stand for their inaction anymore. Call the school district @887-0253 to complain.

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Jason

9:32 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

Guaranteed....... people won't?

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Full House

10:04 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

This family is trying to use a Sherman Street address to get a free Lynbrook education. We need to weed out these people who are using addresses and not living here. It is terrible the administration wont listen.

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Wise Owl

10:38 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

According to Section 1000 Community Relations Goals, under the Board Policies…The Board of Education strives to conduct district affairs by way of a continuing, open dialogue between the community and the schools. This has not been evident with numerous calls to BOE ELECTED members and communication with school district administrators.

It is evident that the district residents’ high level of interest in the education of children, and high level of sensitivity to the needs and desires of the community are not being answered.

The complaint by the resident on Sherman Street has been carried to Superintendent and BOE level but has not been resolved.

This can be a political and media nightmare if you ask me.

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Jason

10:48 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

Concerns of the childrens education as well as PR for parents is far behind concerns
for teacher pay perks and time off! What do you expect?
Superintendents only make 300k
The principals make better than 150k
Teacher over 100k
on average for only 9 months work as well as 6 hour days?

This is what you all voted for each May!

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Grace R.

11:43 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

Wow, wise owl- you are wise! People need to take a stand. The neighbors on Sherman Street should go to a BOE meeting or even a village meeting.

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Full House

12:15 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

Grace - you are correct the neighbors should go to a BOE meeting. The next meeting is Wednesday and the administration should be held accountable for their lack of action on this topic.

Wise Owl

1:32 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

BOE Goals 2011-2012 #5..
To continue to make decisions that are child and student centered, and in he best interest of the Lynbrook school community….

The Lynbrook resident is paying $25,311 per pupil to give this non-resident an education. Is this in the best interest of the Lynbrook school community?

Source: New York State Education Department, 2011-12 Property Tax Report Card.
http://www.empirecenter.org/Documents/PDF/EmpireSchoolReport2011-12%20main.pdf

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David R.

4:16 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

@wise owl, I have been following this story and i can't believe how much it cost to send a child to school here. I'm sure the cost of an investigator is far less! I'm still not clear why the administration building is allowing this after multiple reports have been made to them.

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Full House

4:31 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

Makes you wonder the qualities the school is instilling in out children. There is a blatant theft of services and it is being ignored. All Barbarino cared about was getting his new contract. The board wants to seep ever under the rug.

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The Tizzer

9:25 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Will we have another day of the school admininstration ignoring the people of this village and also the law? Will the administration continue to let this student and who knows how many others continue to flirt the law and illegally use our tax dollars on the? how many other problems will the sweep under the rug

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Jason

9:30 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

I believe this is less serious than the drug and alcohol problem among'st H S students who jeopardize not only their own health and safety, but the lives of ourselves and children.
Time is to lobby the police on these issues as well.

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Nosy Neighbor

12:05 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Jason

Drugs and alcohol are a problem at the school and the school turns a blind eye to it. Howwever the financial disaster being caused by the failure to remove children who do not live in the district increases the taxes of all of us. I give kudos to the residents and neighbors who have reported this situation and it has fallen on deaf ears. Keep up the good work.

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Jason

12:24 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

I understand the tax problem.......... I also understand the effect of dui drivers as well as addiction.
Apathy caused the school tax troubles, hopefully, it won't take a back seat here?

mike james

1:14 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Nosy Neighbor,
Do you actually think the schools turn a blind eye to drugs and alcohol? The schools have speakers,programs, seminars,etc. the resposibility of what the kids do begins in the HOME!!! It's the parents responsibility and to many of them don't do whats needed!!

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Lynbrook Avaya

3:58 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

I am not sure about others but I believe the schools do turn a blind eye to drugs and especially alcohol. The school does not want to deal with the parent outcry about their little Johnny or Judy who was caught drunk at a aschool event so the school lets it go.

Jason

2:19 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

The parents do know whats going on and do not have the sense or knowledge of how to handle the situation.
I know parents who turn a blind eye to their own children's abuse and their friends.
They allow them to drive knowing this is their regular activity???
The social host law needs to be strictly enforced!

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Lynbrook Avaya

4:00 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

But we still have the issue here of a child who doesnt belong in the district who is attending on our dime. The administration has been notified and they need to get off their a$$ and start protecting the taxpayers.

donna

8:11 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

AMEN LYNBROOK AVAYA!!! Come on administration- come to Sherman Street and you will NEVER see the kid or the mother sleeping at my neighbor's apartment!!! I've been told 3 more neighbors that I personally know of called within the last 24hrs over to administration(thanks Full House for posting the number!). Listen to the residents, the tax payers , the homeowners- the people who support the budget year after year.

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Tom Garrett

6:35 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Donna,

I was just reading through the comments and I didn't see that anyone adressed the Board directly. You may want to attend a Board Meeting and address them in person to get this issue on the record. Bring along all supporting documents, call logs and any other facts you have collected. I would be also helpful to bring along any neighbors with knowlage of this issue. There is strength in numbers!!

Good Luck

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Smith St Neighbor

7:27 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

donna

I have heard about the plight over there on Sherman Street. I have heard many people have called the administration and board members and still nothing has been done. The homeowners are also trying but no-one wants to seem to listen. Good people like yourself are going out of there way to protect our residents and nothing is being done.

mike james

7:20 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Lynbrook Avaya,
I'm sure if little Johnny is caught drunk at a school event they deal with it. The problem is little Johhny not being supervised by his parents away from school property. Don't blame the school because kids are out drinking on the weekends. Maybe the parents should have some responsibility?

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Tom Garrett

8:35 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

mike james,

"Maybe the parents should have some responsibility?" They're supposed to but unfortunately they don't, many Parents want to be their kids friends rather then Parents. What amazes me is that many parents are home while their kids and friends have their little party in the basement. That is nuts considering you could be arrested and lose your home if some one gets hurt or worse.........

As for the HS and dealing with the drinking and drug issues I think they are doing all they can do. I have run two of my kids through the HS and the third on deck, it is my opinion that you will find no one who cares more about your kids well being and safety than Mr. Rainis but he can't be everywhere and personally I don't want him to, that's my job to be the parent not his or anyone else for that matter!

Smith St Neighbor

7:25 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

mike james

Yes the parents are a big part of the problem as they condone this. However look at last years prom. The police cited numerous limos for alcohol and not one of the students was held accountable by the school.

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Walnut St neighbor

8:57 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

My son told me to look at this. I live on Walnut St and I think this is horrible! Why isn't anything being done about this? Why would they keep the child in school when reports have been made?? I'm baffled by this. Why do we pay school taxes? For a kid from Queens to get a Lybrook education? I bet the child is a minority and the school district is afraid! Am I right DONNA????

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mike james

9:07 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Smith Street,
If i remember right, Those students who had alcohol at the prom were not allowed to go to the graduation ceremony. I remember, cause it it happened to one of my neighbor's kids here on the North side.

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Jason

9:10 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

The parent should be held accountable with a no tolerance penalty.They laugh at the rest!

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Smith St Neighbor

9:14 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

None of those students missed either prom or graduation. There was nothing done to them.

Jason

9:07 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

?? When will you all wake up??
The schools are unconcerned w/ public opinion because they have been deemed sacred cows by our apathetic voting block.
They are only concerned with their pay pensions and perks as well as time off.
The lack of an investigator here is because they will cut to the bone all services before they sacrifice anything affecting them.
They refuse to bargain in anything that would help defray taxes as well as educate or improve the health and well being of the students.
The continuance to harp on this ONE single non issue regardless of the race of he student is moot as the parents and residents of this once fine village have simply given up hope for change for the best,conversely, they are moving out in droves.
The only hope for this village is a massive showing at the board and village meetings as well as an overwhelming no vote for the budget!
PERIOD!

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Smith St Neighbor

11:17 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Jason

The schools and voters are apathetic. These problems with the illegal students are out there but they dont care. It is good to see residents like donna have taken up the cause

Jason

9:17 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

In you suspect something with your kids or their friends SAY SOMETHING or they can be gone in an instant!

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Lynbrook Merlion

4:41 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Another day and this child is still receivng a free Lynbrook education. The problem continues and the administration spits in our face about this. IT is time to vote in new people to the board.

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North Mom

5:03 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I know exactly who you are talking about! I see the Mom pick up in the back of the school in a black car then she drives west on Merrick rd. My daughter said he talks about his grandparents house in Queens. Can't someone just follow them?? What does Mr. Fallon think about this?? This story is so ridiculous- I can't believe nothing is being done!

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Lynbrook Merlion

11:19 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

North Mom

Mr. Fallon along with the rest of the administration will continue to overlook this problem. The mom knows her child will not kicked out of school so she doesnt care and is now blaming her situation on the people she was renting from.

Jason

6:47 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Nothing will be done either.
All the wrong people have been notified in the wrong way.
Contact Skelos and Curran.

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mike james

7:21 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

I attended the Lynbrook school budget session the other night. They are meeting the tax cap, laying off NO teachers, and cutting no programs and people still complain. They are closing 2 schools in Baldwin today.

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mike james

8:24 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Jason, i'd be interested to know if you've ever attended a board meeting?

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Jason

8:59 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

So what you're saying is you're content with the present unconscionable taxes,as well as the subject matter of non resident student enrollees, because the schools are not being closed??
This brings us back to square one, right where the administration wants us??

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mike james

10:40 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Jason,
I don't approve of a non resident student going to the district or the taxes, however if you attended a budget session you would find out how many undunded mandates are being thrown at the school by the state. Despite this, while there are other districts everywhere firing teachers and closing schools, Lynbrook seems to be managing the tax cap issue without firing anyone or cutting anything. read the paper every day and you will see how districts everywhere are cutting programs and firing people. i live on the North side and don't want kids coming from out of the district and going to West end or North.

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Jason

10:46 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Unfunded mandates?? Of course they are unfunded because the unions refuse givebacks. Let the dip into their reserves instead of increasing taxes.
As far a budget meetings, I am close to moving out as I am retired.
I still keep track and express my views to all involved.
Hopefully, those left will band together and get taxes reduced one day?

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Lynbrook Merlion

11:05 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

The school board needs to stop whining about unfunded mandates. Education in the state of NY to age 16 is an unfunded mandante

But back to the issue of this family stealing services they are not entitled.. Our school admministration needs to replaced if this is how they act towards the taxpayers.

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mike james

11:17 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

I attended the budget session the other night. There were about 25 of us in the audience out of 20,000 residents. If noone shows up at School Board meetings or village board meetings how does anything get accomplished?

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Jason

11:43 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

This is where our legislators must react to mailings and phone calls.
A lot easier and effective however, same apathy occurs here?

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Lynbrook Merlion

11:47 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Our legislators have nothing to do with this. In fact I doubt they should be even trying to influence the school district.

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Jason

11:51 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Of course they are!
Other wise you have the fox guarding the hen house?

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mike james

11:56 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Public apathy and Albany. How does anything get done with that combination?

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Lynbrook Merlion

11:58 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Actually it would seem pretty much everything gets done with that combniation

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mike james

1:13 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

If our legislators get things accomplished then why is lynbrook getting no school aid this year?

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Tom Garrett

4:12 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Pt 2

I am well educated on how the Village has handled this so far and I can assure you Dr. Burak could give those folks a lesson or two; however that’s a conversation for another board…. I will admit I was a little surprised at the lack of people attending but it was 24 more than attend the Village workshops!

What got my attention was in fact the few unfunded mandates presented especially the bill for the new testing requirements! Which left me wondering just how many of these little “Well intended, unfunded Jewels” do we actually pay for? Anyone else curious??

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Tom Garrett

4:12 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Pt 3

As for the “Two Percent Tax Cap Law” there are many parts and is a bit complex even though it appears that the District will hit their goal, you may be unpleasantly surprised that your taxes might go higher than two percent over the prior year. The key word is “LEVY” not your “Tax Bill”. There is a part of the law that doesn’t get enough press and is one of the key elements of the law and it is “Mandate Relief”. Jason mentioned who to call on the other matter, call them, that’s their part in this!!

Read up on the law and get educated. May I suggest you check your party affiliations, emotion and anger at the door and get involved! If not, well there’s no use in complaining because “You shall reap what you sow”……

http://www.andrewcuomo.com/capnypropertytaxes

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Tom Garrett

5:11 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Pt 1

Jason,
If as you say you’re retired and I’ll assume your income is fixed, I get your pain and angst. You and everyone else in your situation are getting financially squeezed hard and not that I forget to mention everyone else for that matter. There are no easy answers and or fixes as to what lies ahead although the “Two Percent Tax Cap” is a start. There have been so many moving parts to this problem and it has slowly, over the past thirty years morphed into the situation we find ourselves today. If you’re looking for someone to blame, I hate to say it but you first have to blame the electorate, you, me and everyone else. We allowed this to happen plain and simple! We voted in (most don’t even bother, sadly) the Politicians and School Boards that were supposed to represent our best interest; however we failed to follow up and hold those over the years to account. Mike put it best “We as an electorate are apathetic” no getting around that.

I too attended the budget work shop the other night, Mike you may remember me as I was the bird brain who’s not so smart phone decided to rattle off all my stored ring tones even though the volume was set to vibrate only, it does that from time to time, I‘m certain it’s possessed!

The primary reason I attended was to see how the district was going to handle their part as it relates to the “Two Percent Tax Cap”.

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Jason

6:27 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Well said Tom ;)
Lets hope we can reduce the apathy, get out there do our homework and dump the
present administration for a honest and concerned one, with regard to more than their own self interests.

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Tom Garrett

7:57 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Jason,

We can agree on educating ourselves and voter apathy for certain, I can't agree with your last statement as I do not personally know the motivation and or interests of anyone in the administration or on the board for that matter. Using the term "Self Interest" is nothing more than political pejorative when you don't agree with what is going on. Allow me to repeat myself, “May I suggest you check your party affiliations, emotion and anger at the door and get involved!” I hope you take this in the spirit it is intended.

Jason

9:03 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Of course, point well taken!
As far as involvement, I am past the age where it matters to myself an my wife.
We will ,however,stay active expressing our concerns to all involved.
At least ,until we finally leave LI in the nex't two years.
Never educated in LI ,w/o children, being from NYC, noone is more irate about the unconscionable taxes we've paid for over twenty years than my wife and I.
Where we intend to retire the tax rate is 20% of Lynbrook village.

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mike james

7:53 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Jason,
Instead of bashing the administration why don't you actually attend a meeting and get your facts straight on everything?

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Smith St Coalition

9:34 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Tom G points out an interesting item in unfunded mandates but this is really just a smokescreen people try to use to complain about small items and really shows them mimicing the stance of an education board that wants to fool the residents.

If you want to talk about unfunded mandates lets start with the beginning. We are required to provide an education for every child until 16. Yet we dont receive the money for the state for that. So once we agree and realizew we are not receiving the money its time to stop whining and get to work.

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Jason

9:42 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

The proof is in the pudding gentlemen.
Need I go further?
We started this conversation re a non resident attendee, We proliferated about the
drug and alcohol troubles.
Test scores whether fudged or not are nothing to write home about?
Still you seem to be happy with the status quo?

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Jason

9:51 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

As the old Axiom goes " If it ain't broke don't fix it " I believe the administration feel this is the situation? regardless of the facts!

Tom Garrett

8:24 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Jason,

I have to hand it to you you’re a gift that keeps on giving. You just Mike James point about voter apathy perfectly in this one sentence, “I am past the age where it matters to myself and my wife”! If you pay taxes regardless if you have children or age your voice and opinion does matter!! If I may, you have the benefit of time and with that come’s wisdom, show up to a few meetings and see what’s going on and share some!

As for old Axiom's how about "Before You Criticize Someone, You Should Walk A Mile In Their Moccasins."

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Jason

10:54 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Not critiizing, just an opinion, an opinion which is the obvious not wisdom at all.
Very clear.........otherwise it wouldn't be a point of discussion........ as I said the proof is in the pudding!
I will always express my views to our lawmakers vehemently, wherever I live as this is a nationwide issue.
If many others were like yourself,Mike and myself....... maybe ,just maybe we could make a difference. I vow t be relentless, as I'm sure both of you will.

mike james

9:27 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Once again, we read the paper everyday and see programs cut everywhere, teachers fired, sports programs eliminated, but here in Lynbrook even without state aid, the district is at the tax cap, no teachers fired, no programs cut. I will be the first one to criticize the district if I thought they were screwing up,however that's not the case. I attended the last budget session and learned alot.

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Jason

10:57 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Mike,
Like I said you are o/k w/ the status quo?
You seem t have lost track of the Gov and Pres objective which is to IMPROVE the education process WHILE decreasing taxes.
Looking at the glass half empty seem to be what both you and Tom seems to be doing.
The writing is on the wall for future change,probably with the continued use of internet education which no doubt is the wave of the future, as a primary source in less then ten years.
What you see at the meetings is simple rhetoric which works for many as your self as a buffer for more time for their own objectives which once again is at the expense of the students and taxpayers. This is the sos over and over. I believe ,even the naiveity many as yourself show, I'm sure you'll agree.
This will backfire in my opinion as competing programs in other areas and states will show this strategy, just as that, strategy, as well as not feasable.
At that point the shock of sudden change will probably be a more difficult process to absorb.
The time is now and the time is for our legislators to get their heads out of their donkeys and see the forest for the trees

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Tom Garrett

11:56 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Jason,
My few replies to you were not meant to disparage you nor your opinion in a manner but merely to point out it best to get the other point of view. Since you like old axioms here’s another “There’s always three sides the story, Your Side, Their Side and somewhere in the middle lies the "Truth"”. I hope you continue to express your views to our lawmakers vehemently as we all should. I am also not naive to the fact that I am attending a “Budget Presentation”, a sales pitch if you will, I get it. It’s too early to comment and or celebrate as the full budget has yet to be presented, as always the devil is in the details. I stated in my earlier post I am most interested in how the District is approaching the new “Two Percent Tax Cap Law”.

You also bring up a salient point with respect to the fact the Governor is challenging the status quo and not many understand it fully. The Governor has now given the average citizen the tools and access to information like never before to get involved, as always it’s up to the individual to do so....

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mike james

5:53 am on Monday, February 20, 2012

Jason,
I agree with you on many points. However, the problem with our rising budgets every year seems to be on salaries and benefits. Let's hope when the teacher's contract is done, the district will have set a hard line in the sand on salaries and benefits. They'res no doubt the future in education lies in things like no more textbooks, and students doing there work on kindle's and technology of that sort. the future will surely bring new technology that will save money ineducation, however, once again unless salaries are kept under control it will be a mute point. another school closing today in Nesconset. Another thing the district needs to look at is why Waverly Park with such small enrollment is being kept open.

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Jason

9:48 am on Monday, February 20, 2012

............
That's another discussion though,however, something to think about as to why this is also allowed?
Payoff, corruption and patronage,unless we hold those accountable it'll be business as usual?

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mike james

9:58 am on Monday, February 20, 2012

Jason,
Noone disputes what your saying. Unfortunately this is the world we live in today. The public can no longer afford to support pension costs. I don't see where the economy will get any better.

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Jason

10:06 am on Monday, February 20, 2012

Absolutely not. I reject this analogy. It is on the cusp of solution.
We have to continue the fight. The Wall Street protest will grow and grow........They must drastically change the system otherwise, we're the new Greece, probably after Obama gets elected, hopefully not, but if so?
THERE IS NO MONEY NOW TO SUSTAIN US? THE BULK OF BABY BOOMERS WILL RETIRE IN THE NEX'T FEW YEARS,DRASTICALLY INCREASING PENSIONS AND SS PAYMENTS

Jason

9:59 am on Monday, February 20, 2012

Mike,
If that is the case 'bout Waverly Park,then we must add this to our list of grievances.
I will contact Curran as well as Skelos for an answer.
As far as salaries and pensions.........Think of this, a pension for a teacher with 30 years is $4000- $5000 monthly on the low end. The asst principals, principals and superintendents pensions????? We all know whats going on there. Does our education system justify these numbers???
Same thing for a police officer who can make the same money on pension, as they make working.The well known buddy system which gives all the o/t to the future retiree, a kind of pyramid scheme, boosting their pensions to an average of 75k annually for life, some at age 40??
The only one that can afford to purchase a home or a new car are teachers and police?????
Keep in mind here, these positions if they take advantage of their 401k options can get an additional matching contribution upwards of $16000 or so AND defer their tax liability 50% or more 'til their 70 1/2 ,crunch those numbers!!!!!!
I dare anyone to dispute this!
Gimme a break!
Meanwhile the tax base is crushing us, disallowing your kids and mine the option of staying in LI, buying a home or finding a job for that matter.
How many have lost their home because of these unconscionable taxes.
Our entire infrastructure is falling apart,filth and grifitti is everywhere,danger lurks at every turn as our traffic light and safety system is so antiquated.

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Sherman St Unity

10:59 am on Monday, February 20, 2012

Jason

You dont seem to understand the pension system and related costs. The number of people who are retiring in the next year will have zero cost effect to the schools and villages. In fact the more that do retire and replaced with the hopeful new pension plan #6 witll save us costs.

The NYS pension system is in better shape tha most pension systems acrosss the counrtry. It is in fact just about 100% funded and has been run well.

Howeve this gets away from the original topic of that youth on Sherman Street that nothing has been done about. Denise Nystrom and the rest of the administration continue to operate with their heads buried in the sand. They dont care about the residents of the school district but more worried about lining their pockets

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Jason

11:38 am on Monday, February 20, 2012

Sherman,
Are you saying they are ENTITLED to these lavish perks and pensions because there is money coming from somewhere while others cannot find shelter or feed their children?
One way or the other our tax dollars are paying for it.

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Sherman St Unity 2

9:10 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Jason

What I am saying is that they are entitled to these perks and benefits because they were promised them as part of the job and the money is there to pay them.

Tom Garrett

2:21 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

Sherman,
Salient points regarding the pension system as for the original topic, folks have to show up in mass and present this issue in person at a Board meeting. I can think of no other way………..
Jason when you find the time the following link may be helpful as a starting point in understanding the pension system:

http://www.nystrs.org/main/library/annual-report.htm

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Jason

2:26 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

Tom,
I'm afraid to look? lol

Jason

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Jason

2:29 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

Tom,

My friends wife, a special ed teacher just retired from the Lawrence school district. She had 26 years and is 62. She is receiving $4000 monthly, and was hired back as a sub for $200 a day????

Tom Garrett

5:47 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

Jason,

All I see is someone very special that for 26 years served the special needs segment of the student population. You have to be cut from a different cloth in order to do what your wife’s friend did for so many years. I commend her for her service, as for her pension those were the rules, right, wrong or indifferent when she entered her vocation. How can one find fault with that?

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Jason

6:26 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

Tom,
Yes I agree,however,during good times, however, these are not!~
We must run our municipalities the same as any private enterprise.
To ingratiate certain unions conversely, creating so much public despair is in Mr Spocks language........ certainly illogical!
As Ive said so many times... if our largest corporations was run as the muni unions particularly the school system, they would have gone under many moons ago.
FYI, most fortune 500 companies have either frozen their pension plans or plan to do so in lieu of employee contributory retirement plans.
Our subject discussion has both?? with no curtailment plans in sight?
Once again people are losing their home or have lost them already, so many others never will be able to afford one. AND many boomers are on their way off the island to be replaced by multi famlies with kids further bloating our tax base!

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Sherman St Unity 2

9:15 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Jason

Saying we should run our municipalities as we do private enterprise may not be such a good idea. Because Fortune 500 companies have frozen pension plans that is not the answer. They have taken the costs out against the employees while the top of the companies have received even bigger pay packages. We have seen plenty of these companies go bankrupt and destroy the fabric of people and towns they supported. The stell, automotice and airline industries are perfect examples of how not to run businesses.

Sorry I dont think you take something away from an employee just because someone else did. You want to change benefits for incoming employees that is fine. But many people are too far in their career to adapt to the changes.

We are looking at another fiscal disaster as all these employees retire without the safety net of a pension.

Jason

6:32 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

Oh yes w/o disposable income retailers can't make ends meet, going bankrupt in record droves, look around, look at the infrastructure, quality of education crime stats of late????/
If we privatize our school system we can do all and more!
OH YES, NOT TO MENTION MAYBE GIVE THE KIDS A BETTER EDUCATION????
INSTEAD OF PERFORMING FAR BELOW WORLD STANDARDS IN SUCH CRUCIAL AREAS AS MATH AND SCIENCES
FORGIVE THE CAPS,,,,, :| I HIT THE CAPS BY MISTAKE?

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Jason

6:34 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

SEE NOW YOU GOT ME STARTED AGAIN LOL

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Tom Garrett

6:42 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

Jason,
I can’t refute a single point made! Well said, however, I am sorry to get you going……..

Enjoy the rest of your evening!!

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Jason

6:50 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

Tom,
Only kidding. I enjoyed or discussion,
Good evening..

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Tom Garrett

7:45 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Jason,

I think you may find this editorial interesting, although the author in the latter part of the editorial merely touched upon what I consider the major problem with the education system as constructed today.

http://liherald.com/stories/Public-schools-whos-in-charge,38753?page=1&content_source=

He also brings up a time honored truth dripping with common sense and logic as it applies to Teacher Evaluations that would never ever be considered……. You’ll see it

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Jason

9:01 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Yes I am familiar w/ the subject matter. Unbelieveable!

Sherman St Unity 2

9:34 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

But the key point is this studat at Norht that Denise Nystrom and the administration have done nothing about. They sit there in there Ivory tower and collect the big salaries. But when a resident has done all the work for them on an issue they have done nothing.

ITs time to find administrators that care about the taxpayers and the students, not just their own financial well-being.

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Jason

12:02 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Mike,

That's just the apathy they rely on. Meanwhile, What was Nero doing while Rome burn't?

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Sherman St Unity 2

1:10 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

The true apathy we have here is that of Denise NYstrom and the rest of the administration and their do nothing attitiude regarding kids from other districts stealing our services..

mike james

12:04 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

I moved here 20 years ago and had 2 kids that went through the school system here in Lynbrook. There were always ups and downs on different issues. However, having attended the last budget meeting,I realized that we are very fortunate to be in a district where we are getting rid of no teachers, cutting no programs and at the tax cap level in the budget. Every district has alot of administration and high teacher salaries. we are no different than anywhere else. Just remember next time your at your childs sporting events or music concerts, that without having the budget we have, none of that would be possible.

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Jason

12:35 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Mike,

Let me guess???? You are, were or are close to an educator???

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mike james

1:45 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Jason,
Not at all. There are some of us who just have different opinions. i had 2 kids that went through the district and are now in college and there experiences were good ones. Honestly, when i see some of the other cuts and firings districts have made, I don't think its a bad thing that here in Lynbrook we're not firing anyone or cutting programs, that's all. No teachers in our family. always blue collar lol

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Jason

4:06 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

LOL

Yes I guess, although I wonder your thoughts of productivity and test scores?

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mike james

8:08 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Never a big believer in state tests.

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Jason

8:24 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

How 'bout the education system as a whole............are we on a par with Asia,Europe??
Math, Science as well as bilingual education??
How 'bout writing skills? How 'bout that?

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Jason

8:30 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

How 'bout Geography, history?
Can you locate Texas, Europe, South America on a map on a map?
Over 50% of our students cant :|

Our foreign competition can??

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